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Submitted by Atwe on Thu, 2007-06-14 08:38.

I am creating this thread so that we can have a place where ideas for neologisms can be exchanged. If you are pondering how to express something in an Eldarin language, what form a derivative of a root could take or if you have an idea for a coinage to share, post it here.


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"were ruined" in Sindarin
Submitted by Andrew Higgins on Fri, 2007-06-15 22:27.

In the Turin poem translation I am looking for a way to render
"were ruined" - there is no verb in the corpus for ruin - there is conquered (_orthornen_) but I use this earlier. There is a verb _gwatho_ which means "soil, stain" (from the root WAJ) - and indeed from this stem we get Iarwath we get "blood stain" a surname for Turin. Any ideas??

Thanks, Andy

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SKAT-?
Submitted by Ninniach on Sat, 2007-06-16 19:19.

Just a vague idea: maybe something derived from SKAT- "break asunder"?

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except
Submitted by Atwe on Fri, 2007-06-15 12:09.

I bring this in because Andrew seems to be looking for the prep/adverb "save, except" in neoSindarin.

We have LQ hequa, about which Q&E says

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Also hequa (? from *hek-wa) adverb and preposition 'leaving aside, not counting, excluding, except'.

I wonder how this would've developed in N/S (sadly, Tolkien omits the S cognate of hequa from the entry). If it's the CE *hek-wa which would be the base of all cognates then S *êf? or *êb? I do not know how much likely it seems (although I like its shape).

Or if we go for the base *hek- only, something more conservative, like *egui?

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important, interesting
Submitted by Atwe on Thu, 2007-06-14 08:45.

To kick the topic off right away, here are two words to find the Q/S equivalents of:

important
interesting

For "important" my first thought is héra "chief, principal", or maybe eteminya but neither one is wholly satisfactory, at least not in all contexts.

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"inga" adj. first, the stem
Submitted by oreramar on Thu, 2007-06-14 19:43.

"inga" adj. first, the stem ING- is translated "first, foremost" which comes close to "important, main,chief".
Maybe one could form an adj. from the stem TYUL- "stand up" + et- "out" to mean "outstanding" ettyulna, ettyulya or ettyula.

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weight
Submitted by Atwe on Fri, 2007-06-15 08:55.

Yes, inga is also a good choice, if one wants to catch the "first, eminent" part of the meaning. For me though the word important also carries the meaning of 'weight' (incidentally, the Hungarian word, _fontos_ [fonto∫] comes from _font_ which is same as English _pound_, German _Pfund_.
So in some cases even lunga in a figurative sense might work. Or if you think of "significant", cf. Tancol, one might look around in the entry tana.
As for forming an adjective from TYUL- (one might choose TOL- also, cf. taltol), I think eteminya already achieves this with the same connotations.

And what about "interesting"?

Noldo/Sindarin speculations are also welcome!

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