Or i arimorna tumbaron

Submitted by oreramar on Wed, 2008-02-20 21:45.

Or i arimorna tumbaron, sí ar tá
lanta helyanweo lane calima.
Pallanar i quinne ambonar
palyas linquilea vaimarya.
I yanta carina lelye armainen
anta vandar aurion caline.

Ingallo ítarille calo cúna
Hentanenye undu huinenna:
Fifírula tarmar iluména
tarir talmasse nwalyaina.
Etta calpanen helleo quiler
ar horonyen *quilya ambarenya luine.

Over dark dales now and then
sweeps a rainbow's shiny hem.
Far beyond the stony hillocks
it spreads its finely colored frock.
The bridge of delicate rays
gives promises of brighter days.

From the top of the bow of light
I glanced down into the night:
Its fading pillars ever stand
on both sides on desolate land.
So I scooped some of the skybow's hue
and set out to paint - my own world anew.

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tumbaron
Submitted by Atwe on Thu, 2008-02-21 10:31.

"or arimorna tumbaron" - should this be interpreted as "over the pitch-dark of [the] dales"?

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tumbaron
Submitted by oreramar on Thu, 2008-02-21 18:07.

It is supposed to mean "over the darkest of deep vales. Does anything strike you as odd in this construction?

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tumbaron
Submitted by Aran on Thu, 2008-02-21 18:43.

The usage of or with the genitive?

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or
Submitted by oreramar on Thu, 2008-02-21 21:22.

Superlatives in Tolkien's examples are expressed with a genitive (aricalima elenion) as a superlative compares something with several other things. "Or" is the preposition for "over, on, upon", so I can't see how "upon the darkest (of the) vales could be expressed otherwise, except with the allative "arimorna tumbaron", but I like the preposition better.

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Oh I see. I have not thought
Submitted by Atwe on Thu, 2008-02-21 23:32.

Oh I see. I have not thought of that, to be honest. Maybe a single article would make it clearer for me: or i arimorna tumbaron, but probably it's just my lambetyáve.

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P.S.
Submitted by Atwe on Thu, 2008-02-21 23:34.

The use of the article is also logical to me as this is really a partitive genitive construction, you single out one element out of a group, and the article makes that one element (the darkest one) specific.

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article
Submitted by oreramar on Fri, 2008-02-22 19:01.

I agree with you.

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