Telingail

Submitted by Aran on Mon, 2008-03-03 01:05.

Anyone in the right mood to play 'don't-guess-the-language-and-don't-try-to-translate'? :-)

I blados malen umboth·vai,
Iorendel amvenn rhostathog.
Am glavaithenniog no·dai,
I·vlador rheidianniog.

I·ngailir glethrefir i himp
Ar gladwen ladwen lhuaint i·alf nimp.

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ar + liquid mutation
Submitted by Aran on Fri, 2008-03-07 20:08.

Oh my, it seems that Early Noldorin already shows mutation after ar 'and', in the phrase: nîr ar thîr 'hero and king' (PE13:164) obviously with tír 'king' (Q. túr) (PE13:154). (Liquid mutation is therefore more than 'a leap of faith, never mentioned or alluded', as currently written on Ardalambion.)
Hence it should be ar ladwen.

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translation
Submitted by Tyrhael on Wed, 2008-03-05 01:59.

Sign of Heaven
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The pale surf twilight-clad,
Earendel uphill rose.
Up he blazes (in)to (the) sky,
The world he lets go.

The stars [glethrefir] the jewel
And sunshine [washes?] the pale swan.
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I wasn't sure about [glethrefir] at all, save that it appears to be from _glathra_:

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translation
Submitted by Aran on Wed, 2008-03-05 09:38.

>I wasn't sure about [glethrefir] at all, save that it appears to be
>from _glathra_:

Yes, glathra- 'to polish' would probably form the imperfect tense by -ath dissimilated to -af according to the retained verb schemes, cf. maitha- 'to ravish' > maithaf (PE13:163) and gurdh- 'die' > gwardhaf (PE13:132).

Also, the aorist at that time is not a timeless form, but rather a past perfective one (as in Ancient Greek or Old Church Slavonic), so if taken precisely glavaithenniog would be 'he has blazed' while rhostathog 'he was rising'.

A somewhat free rendering would be something like:

'The wan surf was clad in twilight
As Earendel was rising up.
He blazed upwards into the sky
And left the world behind.

His jewel was polished by stars,
A pale swan bathing in sunshine.'

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ah!
Submitted by Tyrhael on Thu, 2008-03-06 15:38.

I saw -ath in the verb paradigms, and wondered if it was somehow linked, but I didn't think of dissimilation! One day I'll make a list of all known dissimilation in Gnomish / E. Noldorin / Noldorin / Sindarin ...

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áni etelehta
Submitted by Atwe on Wed, 2008-03-05 12:00.

Release me from me pain, is this Early Noldorin?

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sí tere hyelle ar nullave cenilve

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san na
Submitted by Aran on Wed, 2008-03-05 15:10.

Indeed it is (or is supposed to be).

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What a pity
Submitted by oreramar on Wed, 2008-03-05 16:27.

What a pity that so many issues of Parma Eldalamberon are out of print! :(

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é náto
Submitted by Tyrhael on Thu, 2008-03-06 15:42.

Indeed! I am waiting desperately for PE14 — as soon as it is available again, I'll buy it!

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baffled
Submitted by Atwe on Thu, 2008-03-06 15:50.

For my part I never actually understood how these can be "out of print" - aren't they stored electronically somewhere?

Me being naive, kítan.

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sí tere hyelle ar nullave cenilve

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I don't know, but if there
Submitted by Aran on Thu, 2008-03-06 17:50.

I don't know, but if there is something annoying about PE, it's this unavailability rather than the rate of new publications.

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mood
Submitted by Atwe on Tue, 2008-03-04 12:07.

All I've got is guesses, so no worries:)

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sí tere hyelle ar nullave cenilve

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right mood
Submitted by Tyrhael on Mon, 2008-03-03 23:54.

Well, I knew the language as soon as I saw it, heh heh. I recognized some of the words, but needed to look them up to form a translation (which I eventually did). :)

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right mood
Submitted by Aran on Tue, 2008-03-04 10:42.

Okay, just keep it for yourself... No, seriously - post it please. :-)

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