Drop

Drop

By Atwe on Tue, 05/21/2019 - 10:35
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I am musing about what could the transitive version of the verb drop (release from hand to fall to the ground) look like. Lanta- looks purely intransitive. The root KHAT contains among its glosses "loose from hand", but KHAT is our only root (as far as I can tell) that provides the space for verbs throw/hurl, and I think those are quite different from drop.
If we look to DAT that could provide something like *dat-tā but I believe that would ultimately yield *lasta- which is already taken - unless *latta- is also a possibility?

Submitted by Paul Strack Wed, 05/22/2019 - 00:40

The primitive dat-tā would indeed produce lasta-. The form latta- is unlikely as a verb, since it requires lengthening of the t as opposed to suffixion.

In QL the verb lant- is glossed both “fall” and “drop”, so perhaps lanta- can be used both transitively and intransitively.

Alternately there is a Gnomish verb dod- glossed “drop” (and “fall down”). I use dod- “drop” in Neo-Sindarin. Its Neo-Q. equivalent would probably be lot- from DOT.

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Submitted by Atwe Wed, 05/22/2019 - 13:26

Thank you, Paul.

On that basis my neologism *satta- should also be rejected, or updated to *sasta-?

I am not entirely happy with using lanta- as a transitive verb, but I also don't know which is "better": use lanta- as transitive, or derive *lot- from DOTO.

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Submitted by Paul Strack Thu, 05/23/2019 - 05:11

Hmm. A verb with tt isn’t impossible, since we have mitta-, but I think that’s a verbalized adjective since it’s derived from the root MI. Primitive sat+tā should probably be sasta- in both Quenya and Sindarin. I can update these in Eldamo if you like.

As for Neo-Q. lanta- “drop” vs. lot- “drop”, I agree neither are particularly appealing. In Eldamo right now I have lanta- “drop”. However, I am leaning more in the direction of lot-, but could be easily persuaded by another neologism with a more recent etymology.

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Submitted by Atwe Thu, 05/23/2019 - 08:33

The only one I can think of right now is undulerya- "release down(wards)" which feels rather clumsy, although there is undulav- as a model.

Or to go for a rare instance of a -yā causative? Although that would yield *latya-, wouldn't it, which is again taken.

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