How would you call handles of objects like pots, mugs, pans etc. in Quenya?


I am (of course) inclined to go for the "ear(s)" metaphor as we do in Hungarian and call them hlas/hlari - this seems to be also in line with the idea behind unquilla(r).


P.S. there is also tolma, but that looks like specifically a rounded and short knob.

Submitted by Paul Strack Tue, 11/20/2018 - 14:19

I like the “ear” idea, since there’s and established precedent in Early Quenya.

We might also restore the early root UNKWU as “hook, handle, loop”, but there is a risk of confusion with derivatives of UNUK, so I don’t favor this option. Using SLAS feels like a better idea to me.

I will have to mull over the form, though.

Submitted by Paul Strack Tue, 11/20/2018 - 14:27

Alternately ... we could restore EQ. unko or unqilla and G. unc for “handle”, but re-etymologize them from UNUK, perhaps based on the hollow area between the handle and the pot. That fits my personal style of salvaging early words where I can. 

Submitted by Atwe Tue, 11/20/2018 - 15:42

In reply to by S P

Even if we stick to the "ear" metaphor for handles on vessels, *map-mā could still be handy (no pun intended) for either a more generic "handle", or as an instrument for grabbing something (like a forceps).

Submitted by S P Wed, 11/21/2018 - 20:46

In reply to by Atwe

In light of the info that I've found so far:

/p+w/ > /pp/ (based on your Eldamo quote)
/p+m/ > /mp/ (based on GAP[*-mā] > Q ampa, Etym:357)

In Adûnaic, one should be able to form the word *uhzun "an ear-shaped figure" — since the paragon-pattern igmil is about a form, one would assume the resulting nouns to be also applicable to tangible things.

Submitted by Atwe Thu, 11/22/2018 - 14:44

In reply to by S P

The idea to base the word on igmil is a clever one, but I am lost where you got *uhzun from, please can you explain? My Adúnaic is beyond rusty.

Submitted by S P Fri, 11/23/2018 - 10:51

In reply to by Atwe

From #HUZ'N with the obvious assumption about both vowels in an igmil-derivative (hence *uhzun, not *(?)ihzun); cp. SD:427.

Submitted by Atwe Fri, 11/23/2018 - 12:36

In reply to by S P

Thank you - I trawled through the Ad. wordlist yesterday and did not spot huzun... must've gone blind temporarily.