Do you think péti "lips" could be a model how CV monosyllables form their plurals? I mean like pé - péti, ré - *réti, thé - *théti, possibly pí - *píti etc

It's a wild stab, I know, it just occurred to me.

Submitted by Paul Strack Fri, 02/08/2019 - 06:12

I think such uniconsonantal nouns would be more likely to form their plurals like more ordinary vocalic nouns, e.g. már plural of . I think péti is more likely to represent some variant form of , with stem form pét-, maybe péte.

Submitted by Lokyt Fri, 02/08/2019 - 18:28

Isn't the -r ending exclusive for the central and back vowels (a-stem, o-stem, u-stem nouns)? The e-stem (lasse) seems to go with -i (lassi) and the i-stem (tári) with -n (tárin)...

Submitted by Paul Strack Sat, 02/09/2019 - 01:21

In reply to by Lokyt

Not all nouns ending in e form plurals with i, e.g. tier “paths” or tyeller “grades”. If I had to guess, a monosyllable with long é would also use -r: pér. That’s just a guess, though.

I’m not familiar with tárin as a plural of tári. I wasn’t aware there were any attested plurals of (rare) nouns ending in i. Can you tell me where it’s from?

Submitted by Lokyt Sat, 02/09/2019 - 22:15

In reply to by Lokyt

@ Paul:

Well, from Eldamo ;-) But I fell for it too hastily - it's PE 21/14, so (as I've just realized) far from being still relevant. My mistake, sorry.

And you're right about the e-stems. I wouldn't worry about those that end in -ie as they don't in fact have any other option than -r (considering what their i-plurals would look like); and abstract noun suffixes, -sse and -le, look like a special category as well (that is, if tyelle incorporates this suffix and tille doesn't). But plurals lotser and tyáver are indeed a problem.

Submitted by Paul Strack Sun, 02/10/2019 - 04:48

In reply to by Lokyt

Well shoot. I was hoping you knew about a source I wasn’t aware of. An -n plural suffix isn’t entirely implausible, since we know -m was a plural suffix in Primitive Elvish (it’s the basic for the -n in the genitive and locative plurals).

Ah well, I’ve made similar mistakes myself.